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Date: 1999-08-14

linux vs win: Rant 2er Script/gelehrter


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Uner dem schlichten Titel verbirgt sich ein
rabiat/non/platonischer Dialog zweier Script/gelehrter über die
technischen Grundlagen des momentanen Zeitalters, die
programm/philosophischen Hintergründe Sanctae Trinitatis
Windows, Unix und Mac absolviert von Woodchuck alias djv
aka Dave [answer] und Ranger [quote].

Eine der Schlüsselstellen preist die Genialität Microsofts
nachgerade vernichtend.

Absolviert auf der Liste der DefCon Hacker, einem Peripatos,
wo Dekonstruktion als re-compiling selbverständlich ist.

Während im Peripatos [Säulengang - wörtlich: peri = herum;
patos= das Gehen] Denker die Gedanken beim Herumgehen
produzierten, entstehen sie hier literal: Räumlich entfernt und
noch immer Zeit verzögert. Aber nicht nachträglich mittels
Tontafel und Gedächtnis nieder- & schöngeschrieben,
sondern unterlegt mit fernen Donnern eines aufziehenden
Gewitters, wie sie im echten Leben üblich sind.

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Subject: Re: linux vs. win To: [email protected]
(Ranger) Date sent: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:59:38 -0400
(EDT) Copies to: [email protected], [email protected]

Well, certain of the haxorly inclined did have Suns and
Apollos in their garrets.

At some point, the cost of low-end Sun became quite
competitive with high-end PC + full development software to
equal the usual Unix bundle. This point was unremarked by
the marketplace, though, and especially by M$-whoring
mags like "PC World".

It's the fundamental curse of our times: Microsoft is a
fantastic corporation, with brilliant management. Their only
shortcoming is that they don't know shit about operating
systems or application software. Everything else, brilliant.
It's a miracle, like discovering that the Yugo is "Car of the
Century".

> hardware support and gaming capability of Linux is brought
up to speed it > will have a hard time invading the desktop of
john q. public. Win9x sucks > ass, but the common luddite
has no concern or idea, he wants to play "Duke > Nukem"
and have all the software and internet all bundled up, and a
nice > little restore CD image to use when he inevitably fucks
it all up.

I agree. The word "desktop" means "interactive" (i.e. dumb
terminal) to me, but "standalone box" to you.

I ran Unix on a 286 PC, actually. Microport Sys VR2. It
really sucked. (Circa 1986).

A way to bring Linux to every home in the moneyed world:

*) Do your improvements (which boil down to plug and
play) (I consider any Unix/Linux installation to be easier than
any Windoze one, and that it has been that way for years.
Reason: "A windoze installation never ends"... it requires
endless tweaking, often reinstallation.)

*) Market a righteous X terminal at a $250 retail, that
would network over power lines. (Or some other wireless
LAN. Details irrelevant).

*) Software: multiplayer games, and for the paranoid, all
kinds of snoopy-ware to make sure than Heather and Cody
aren't looking at any pr0n.

*) Embed the OS in ROM, on something idiot-proof
pluggable like PCMCIA.

> > The virus exists because M$ OSes are pieces of shit.
Car door locks > > are traditionally pieces of shit, hence the
existence of the Slim Jim. > > I never said they weren't
pieces of shit. Although certain flavors have

I don't accuse you of it. My thesis is that the *form* of the
most common "nasty" M$ attack is the virus, for the same
reason that the Slim Jim is the most common attack on car
door locks.

If Unix were as widespread as M$, there would be more
attacks against it.

Actually the gaping hole in Unix is probably X. X has many
of the swiss-cheese features of Windoze -- resulting from
being designed for an open environment free of malice, and
then having security shoe-horned in, under and around it later
on.

> some improvements over others, but there is still _a_lot_ to
be desired. I > also agree that it has gotten to the point that
trying to correct it now > would be damn near impossible.
However, I'll continue to contend, if that > shitty little OS with
the same amount of holes and exploits weren't so > prevalent
the amount of virii would be significantly smaller. The MAC
OS

True. If rabbits weren't a problem, there wouldn't be foxes
and .22 rifles.

> has a ton of shitty holes and problems (8.5, 8.6 are about
as bloated as MS, > and crash as regularly), but the number
of virii and hacks for the MAC are > far eclipsed by those for
MS. > > Damn, these things never fail to turn into a jihad,
reason #1 why the > outlook conversion is now filtered.....

Oh, I'm not jihading. If someone takes it that way, that's an
error.
Dave

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[email protected]

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